08:24:47 <cedricziel> typo3's internal file abstraction mechanism. if possible, you will want to use it except if you just sketch something quick and dirty
11:18:56 <NamelessCoder> btw the pixelant guys who made that web site, also use fluidtypo3 ;)
11:20:11 <denis_droid> NamelessCoder: To be honest you can’t honestly do advanced templating stuff with the basic templating mechanism TYPO3 provides.
11:21:09 <NamelessCoder> that depends on the definition; if you place the boundary of "templating" so that typoscript is not included, you're correct.
11:22:21 <NamelessCoder> typoscript is almost infinitely flexible - and infinitely complicated and error prone.
11:22:24 <denis_droid> Well maintaining a mess of typoscript templating is just insane. (TS used for HTML templating in this context)
11:24:14 <denis_droid> And coming from other backgrounds like all the pretty static templating stuff (like handlebars etc. this feels even more old fashioned)
11:24:19 <NamelessCoder> for peace of mind: regard TS as *purely* declarative. No conditions, no COAs, INTs and other stuff besides the absolute minimum to run controllers
11:24:57 <denis_droid> I’m just saying HTML templates should not be build in TS :P
11:25:39 <NamelessCoder> you actually said "cannot" but, semantics schmemantics
11:26:51 <denis_droid> Does anyone know how easy it is to easily create content elements in Typo3 Neos?
11:27:17 <NamelessCoder> easier than using TS, not as easy as using FT3.
11:27:38 <denis_droid> (to be honest I dislike the backend of Typo3 CMS, all the page reloads make me mad)
11:28:02 <NamelessCoder> easier than using TemplaVoila, too. That one is subjective of course but programmers would probably agree, integrators maybe not.
11:28:23 <denis_droid> Well TemplaVoila is not really a solution for me. :P
11:28:31 <NamelessCoder> hehe now you're just assuming that an insanely complicated JS-based engine will make you less mad ;)
11:28:37 <denis_droid> Clicking some fields in a GUI :P
11:31:15 <denis_droid> Well that’s true but from a usability standpoint it is driving me crazy. You want to translate a page with a lot of content elements and have to run through the click/page reload/edit/save cycle infinite times.
11:31:35 <NamelessCoder> good luck translating in Neos ;)
11:32:02 <denis_droid> (and it is even more insane because you have all the content elements including the content on one page)
11:32:16 <denis_droid> How is the experience in Neos? :D
11:32:21 <NamelessCoder> the point being: yes, Neos has a nice UI. But nope, it has FAR from the features that CMS does - also in the area of what we'd call banalities like translation.
11:36:49 <NamelessCoder> by making sure it's 1) in your root TS and 2) there's only one root TS, or 3) you use ext_typoscript_setup.txt which I *strongly* discourage because it's incredibly integration unfriendly, or 4) hook to add TS in runtime which of course would be less than ideal.
11:40:39 <Akii> what would I give for a simple yaml config thats just always loaded
11:43:06 <NamelessCoder> Akii if you're relying on resolving root TS record and live contains more than one such root TS record but your local dev doesn't, that would explain it
11:45:18 <hans_> im using fuild, vhs ... fpr my site, and now i want some features to speed up
11:45:23 <NIMIUS|johannes> FYI: The link to the field.text viewhelper reference is broken https://fluidtypo3.org/viewhelpers/flux/master/Field/TextViewHelper.html
11:50:12 <shredding> i have problems applying this https://github.com/FluidTYPO3/flux/issues/679#issuecomment-62038184
11:50:25 <shredding> I think it’s very simple and i’m just to blind to see the obvious.
11:50:50 <shredding> Can someone tell me how exactly would fit a „query“ in the „items“ field in https://fluidtypo3.org/viewhelpers/flux/master/Field/SelectViewHelper.html?
12:05:01 <Akii> but for real NamelessCoder, what do you think about yaml config? the flow schema looks sane (at least for me)
12:05:42 <Akii> just as an alternative of course, the configuration manager could fallback and what not
12:11:09 <shredding> i waded through github and there is not a single example of how to get it to work.
12:15:12 <denis_droid> NamelessCoder: Is it possible to hide the „Fluid Content Area“ column in the languages page view?
12:16:13 <denis_droid> It is a bit confusing for editors to see this additional column that contains stuff that a content editor will not understand :-)
12:30:09 <NamelessCoder> Akii I like Yaml for non-atomic configs and I would not take it as fluidtypo3 interest to implement an atomic yaml-based configuration alternative to TS
12:30:12 <denis_droid> Ok no problem. It is just a minor problem that I recognized after updating to the latest patch level of fluidcontentelements
12:48:55 <NamelessCoder> so everything that setup.txt currently does, but not setup.txt
12:49:14 <Akii> with the certainty of being loaded on freaking strange servers, yes
12:50:32 <NamelessCoder> ext_typoscript_setup.txt gives you that certainty but takes away every option the integrator has of overriding your settings
12:51:02 <NamelessCoder> PS: Flux has a way to load TS regardless of which other TS gets loaded and always loading it according to extension load order
12:51:30 <NamelessCoder> or FED did, it's really ancient
12:52:05 <NamelessCoder> you can also pass TS as a string directly from ext_localconf.php
12:52:14 <NamelessCoder> and with that, I go back to work :)
13:19:52 <batjony> in the fluidtypo3 documentation is written "See imgResource.width for possible options.", but not sure where should I exactly have a look
14:14:08 <NIMIUS|johannes> Is it possible to reload my form after a change (just like with regular flexforms)? I would like to have dynamic fields
14:22:04 <batjony> guys, if I have sys categories attached to particular custom fluid element, is there some view helper, which could be used to output the corresponding categories ?
14:26:24 <batjony> or I should do this somehow in my ContentController ?
14:29:16 <rosieres> checkout https://github.com/TYPO3-extensions/news it uses categories
14:31:52 <batjony> ya but i am using sys categories inside a FCE, thats why i am wondering if there is some fluid helper which can be used
14:32:21 <batjony> NamelessCoder: do you have idea ?
14:33:35 <rosieres> If you debug your item dou you have cats already in array?
14:34:09 <rosieres> You are talking about the flexform?
14:37:50 <rosieres> I thoink you have to build a controller like in news, which renders the three so that you can choose certain category items.
14:45:28 <rosieres> See how it is used here -> https://svn.typo3.org/TYPO3v4/Extensions/pw_teaser/trunk/Resources/Private/Templates/Teaser/Index.html while data is fetched in the controller -> https://svn.typo3.org/TYPO3v4/Extensions/pw_teaser/trunk/Classes/Controller/TeaserController.php || So it's also a case question whyt your FCE shall do with categories? selfassign? map to a page? map to another resource? Perhaps categories is already present to your resour
14:45:31 <rosieres> ce, then you can check if it's in array and just use it with fluid . . .
14:51:27 <batjony> my content element should just output them as simple text, if i have attached Cat1 and Cat 2 to my FCE, in the frontend for this element i should have an output like: Categories: Cat1, Cat2
14:52:25 <batjony> also most likely something like this http://docs.typo3.org/typo3cms/CoreApiReference/ApiOverview/Categories/Index.html#categories-collections could be used
14:53:47 <batjony> the example you showed me, uses directly the CategoryRepository, but most likely its better to use somehow the Category Collection class
14:57:43 <xaver> categorys and FCE do not use FCE for logic like sorting - this is still a plugin
15:03:23 <batjony> xaver: what do you mean, could I get the categories for particular FCE ?
16:16:47 <NamelessCoder> the safe way to always getting stuff merged: 1) respect the rules of CGL and conventions, 2) sufficiently describe what is wrong/missing and why it's been added, 3) use small commits that each describe what's going on, esp. if the commit is 100+ lines changed. And that's about it.
16:17:08 <NamelessCoder> and those should be relevant for any project ;)
16:18:35 <Akii> I'd still like to know why it broke only on that one server
16:30:53 <rosieres> Don't wait for an answer wag51 - just ask